The National Midnight Star #530

From root Wed Oct 7 20:53 1992 Received: by wake.ncsl.nist.gov (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA00685; Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:53:23 Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA15188; Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:30:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:30:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9210072230.AA15188@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 10/07/92 - The National Midnight Star #530 Status: R
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My RUSH intro Re: Old/ New10/06/92 - The National Midnight Star #529 ASOH Video question Rush Convention (Send me e-mail!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Administrivia Date: Wed Oct 7 16:29:53 EDT 1992 From: rush-mgr <The National Midnight Star Editor> Well, I'll admit in my brief haste I let a flame through, and now in this issue a response flame back. Matt (and Dan), please take battle to email. I'm sorry I let the first one through and in all fairness Dan your post is last in this issue. In the future, I'll be killing off both of your flames to one another. Comments and such are ok, I just think you two are getting too personal for this forum, so if such a message comes up again, don't be surprise if it's not sent out. Don't say I didn't warn you. For other readers, my apologies for this drivel. Now, for sanity's sake how about dropping the age-old arguments? Is anyone else besides Geddy rooting for the Blue Jays? :-) I bet he was sweating it out during the last couple games of the season. There's also a short interview that will be coming out as a special issue today. This from a Kerrang magazine meeting with Alex. See also Ken's post about Rush's work on next album. [ : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Ayn Rand and 2112 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:22:41 -0700 From: gimper@leland.Stanford.EDU Hello all, I addressed this question on alt.music.rush not that long ago, so I'll do it again here. In TNMS #529, Ralph.Torres@Corp.Sun.COM (Ralph Torres) writes: >I have read and heard Neil's statement that he "discovered" Rand's >Anthem as they finished 2112. Not that I'm a better authority then he, >however, I find it strange that for someone who "just noticed the >coincidental similarities" would dedicate the album to the "genius" >of Rand. The way I understand it was that Neil had read _Anthem_ prior to the writing of "2112". After completing "2112", he noticed the similarity between it and _Anthem_. Therefore, he decided to give credit to Rand so he wouldn't be called a plagiarist. (Source -- Neil's December '91 Rockline interview.) Since I don't have the tape with me, this is from memory. Anyone out there should feel free to correct me if I am wrong... So am I really the only one out here who thinks that Neil's playing on RTB is his best since Signals? :-) Laters, -- Stuart (gimper@leland.stanford.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 06 Oct 1992 18:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua A. Vaughn, DePauw University" <JAVAUGHN%DEPAUW.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Subject: A Rarities Tape / Stupid Debates Hi kids. On the Yes mailing list right now, someone is making a collection of concert recordings and rare singles, b-sides, etc. of Yes and distributing it to all the members of the list who want it for the cost of the tape. I know not everyone agrees with the concept of bootlegging, and that we did have a "box set" poll a few months back, but I think it would be great to have the members of this list put together a great collection of unreleased Rush and the rare stuff like "Take Off" and "Battlescars" so that everyone on the list who wants it can have an inexpensive and comprehensive set of unreleased Rush. Also, this senseless debating needs to stop. Wouldn't it be great if the word "sucks" never appeared in the NMS again? [ Hmm.. come to think of it, this could be arranged!! rush-mgr] Josh Vaughn ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:34:19 EST From: "Jason McNamara, PCFC Consultant" <JMCNAMAR@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: click tracks... John Miller asked about click tracks in TNMS #529. I don't know to which song you're referring in ASoH, but I had a brief comment about click tracks. In an interview (in MD?) a couple of years ago, Neil mentioned that he was using a sort of piped-in metronome, but it wasn't a click. He used a bass drum sound instead, so if he was right with the tempo, he wouldn't hear anything. Sorry I can't be more specific on time and location of interview. Jason McNamara jmcnamar@iubacs.bitnet jmcnamar@ucs.indiana.edu Russian and East European Institute, Indiana University University Computing Services, Indiana University <<Insert favorite Rush lyric here>> PS> and the Three Blind Mice bit (Intro on ASoH) is definitely 3 Stooges. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Mermagen <cmermag@wam.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:18:32 -0400 Subject: Sampled Mac Sounds and Lukemia?? Just curious... at the part of the rap where he says 'random interaction'. Right after that, there is a sound that is similar to a system beep that can be used for a Mac.. Maybe they heard that sound too much when making mistakes in writing and thought it funny to insert it. I thought so, Also, Neil with Lukemia?? Bummer if true [ Ah.. good to see the old rumors are still around :) :rush-mgr ] Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd) Subject: Dream Theater Tour Dates Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:46:36 EDT Rush Fans - I guess I should post this here too since Dream Theater seems to be talked about a lot and people seem interested in tour dates. Date Day City Venue 10-6 TUE Washington, DC The Bayou 10-7 WED Boston, MA The Axis 10-8 THU Montreal, Canada t.b.a. 10-9 FRI Toronto, Canada The Spectrum 10-10 SAT ROCHESTER, NY 3-D's 10-15 THU Detroit, MI Harpo's 10-16 FRI Columbus, OH Al Rosa Villa 10-17 SAT Cleveland, OH Flashes 10-18 SUN Grand Rapids, MI Club Eastbrook 10-20 TUE Dayton, OH t.b.a. 10-21 WED Chicago, IL Avalon 10-22 THU Greenfield, WI t.b.a. These are the only dates I currently know of. I will post future dates when I find out. BTW, if you want to join the fan club and get all kinds of free stuff, send $20 (+ $3.50 US, $5 Canada) to The Dream Team, P.O. Box 230156, Hartford, CT 06123-0156. Send your name, address and shirt size. And, IMO, Dream Theater does not sound like Queensryche, Rush or Yes. They seem to have a lot of influences from lots and lots of progressive type bands, though. I think they are very, very original. Dream On! Mike -- * Michael Shepherd * Maybe some things are instinctive * * mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu * But there's one thing you could do * * or * You could try to understand me, * * shepherd.wbst129@xerox.com * I could try to understand you -NP * ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 22:13:26 EDT From: "Me, I'm just a lawn mower" <3TANVOZ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: 2112, etc. Rushppl -- First of all... sorry about putting up that FAQ about 2112 & Ayn Rand a couple of posts ago... no one but me seemed to notice that it was a FAQ tho, and it brought up an interesting point.... Does the narrator commit suicide at the end?.. I had never thought so, but it really is a good interpretation of the "My life blood/Spills over" line. Also -- what makes anyone assume that it's the Elder Race that has "assumed control" at the end... I always used to think that it was the Priests notifying their planets that they had defeated the Elder race and were again "assuming control." Just MHO... Also.. someone mentioned a Rush channel on irc and the mgr was kind enough to point out #p/g!.. for you Rush-irc'ers who may find that channel frequently invite only and impossible to send msgs to it, let me know.. I created RushServ to kind of watch over that channel, so it's often left locked (but I'll happily give access to it for someone if they care to email me or whatever...) -- Glen 3tanvoz@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu/greed@chopin.udel.edu/bbs.trroy@goonsquad.spies.com (usually Trroy on irc.... jeez.. could I possibly have any more accounts??...) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: 2112 >I didn't think that the hero in 2112 committed suicide. Do any of the >band members actually say that? The line "my life's blood/Spills over" >might >just refer to his emotional turmoil, and intense desire to change his world. I thiought it was pretty clear that he was committing suicide. Esp. when I read the quotes going along with the song in the Album. Scott Lillis ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 06 Oct 1992 23:00:20 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.IR.Miami.EDU Subject: Happy Yom Kippur!!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!! This durn old/new argument has gotten a wee bit out o' hand. So have the googalplex of posts stating "This durn old/new argument has gotten a wee bit out o' hand". What began as: "I like old Rush better 'cause it makes me feel all tingly inside" "I like new Rush better 'cause it raises goose bumps on my thighs" has become "You suck, you new Rush fiend!!!" "You suck, you stupid old Rush Hippie!!!" Come now, children! Let's play nice! This topic could still be a reasonable discussion(no, really!), if we try to keep it a little interesting. This is what the NMS is for, gosh dang it. Nice, friendly discussions about who really sucks without bluntly stating it. We all *LOVE* to hear each other's opinions (except when they REALLY SUCK) about Rush, that's why we read this compu-rag. (Mr. Mgr-God, Sir, I mean that with the UTMOST respect!) The moral of the story: Accen-tu-ate the positive, Elim-in-ate the negative, Be nice, even if someone says something TRULY INANE Also, try to keep the TRULY INANE stuff to USENET. Good Yom Tov, and to all a good night! By the way: I am an experienced multi-instrumentalist, I like old Rush better than new Rush, I like New Rush better than most other stuff. . . HOWEVER The day Geddy Lee discovered rap ranks with the day Empty Vee discovered Seattle The day Vanilla Ice discovered Hair The day MC Hammer became Hammer The day Bono discovered himself The day James Hetfield discovered acoustic guitars The day we found out Neil had Cancer The day Billy Joel stopped doing drugs and started doing Christy The day Mick Shrimpton Combusted The day Elvis discovered Vegas The day I first saw the cover of Love Beach (ELP) The day Rolling Stone started The day Disco died The day Disco was reborn The day Psycho Janitor disbanded. . . The list goes on & on, you get the drift. . . LIVERWURST NIGHTMARE RULES THE MUSIC WORLD!!! Good Yom Tov, and to all a good night!!! Aaron Silverman ASILVERM@UMIAMI P.S. It is useless to Flame me; I work on an asbestos terminal...Ha Ha Ha Ha! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:21:18 EDT From: Greg.Andrade@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Click Tracks In response to the question about Neil Peart wearing headphones during Red Sector A, I will confirm that he is listening to a click track. The reason for this is that during Red Sector A and other songs, visuals such as video clips and laser lights are sequenced and require the band to be in perfect time. In other words, Mr. Peart's playing must be in time with the sequence of the video, etc. I believe I once read or heard about Mr. Peart using the headphones during Red Sector A because he needed to hear the underlying keyboard sequence. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 1:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: SEIDENBERG@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Subject: New info I have heard from a very reliable source that the timetable for work on the next Rush album has unfortunately been pushed back. As it stands now the boyz will not start working on a new record until after the New Year. Basically I was told that the band has no motivation to start at this point. Oh well, so much for a summer tour in 1993, let's hope for the Fall!!! I also must say that all this talk about "old and new" Rush is making me sick to my stomach. Enough already, start a new thread... Right Jimmy?? Ken F. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:24:02 -0500 From: Michael Silverman <cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu> Subject: New vs Old Rush I think I speak for many Rush fans when I say that picking a favorite Rush album, or deciding which is "better" (old vs new) is sort of the same as deciding which one of your ten fingers is better....you need 'em all! [ A very good point : rush-mgr ] (end semi-lame analogy) (it's late at night) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:16:00 -0500 From: white@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (white aaron) Subject: Neil's Headphones Neil uses the headphones you often see him wearing in concert for a click track. This is neccesary to keep time in songs that uses sequences that are punched in and out at random times. This is in response to someones question last issue. /\aron L. White ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:57:00 +0000 From: "Robert (R.A.) Herrage" <herrage@bnr.ca> Subject: Re: Melody Intro..Who Does It? >> tvos@ais.org asks: >> >> > Question, who actually does the melody intro for the three blind mice? >> >> As I recall from the concert, it appeared to be taped. They played it >> as soon as the lights went out, while everyone got into place. >> >> My guess was it was taken directly from "The Three Stooges" series-- >> that's what it sounded like. I recall reading/hearing (either by interview or from Modern Drummer) that Neil said that he does not want to take something that exists and just tape it. He uses his electronic equipment (MIDI?) to recreate something that he likes. As I recall, the 3 Stooges intro was his own recreation of the theme. This seemed most evident the last time that I heard them do it. However, it does seem like the very first time I heard them do it, it was the actually 3 Stooges intro -- with the Hello, Hello, Hello stuff and everything. If I can locate the source, I'll post it later. Rob ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:20:08 CDT From: tdt@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Torkelson) Subject: My RUSH intro Hi to all fellow RUSH fans; The first time I heard RUSH was in 1976, when a friend in the Air Force dorm I was in played 2112 at maximum volume. The whole block could hear it and I was hooked right away. I started buying all their lp's as soon as they were out. After I got out of the service, I got the chance to see RUSH in concert at the State theatre in Green Bay, Wisconsin. What a treat! Max Webster opened for them and were pretty good ( I bought all their lp's ). I could hardly wait for the real show to start. From reviewing the tour dates file, this must have been one of the shows in late January, 1978. I was sitting in the balcony of the tiny theatre and had a center stage view. The speakers were from stage floor to the roof of the theatre and about 15 feet wide, on each side of the stage. I love LOUD music and do think you can hear so much more nuances when the volume is turned up, and this show blew me away! When I came out I could still here the music and feel the vibrations. I was floating on cloud nine. I have slowed down since then due to personnal economic conditions, but am still a devoted fan. Reading the NMS has really got me excited again and I hope it is not to long before they tour in this area. I have rarely heard any RUSH on the radio until about a year ago when a new radio station in Eau Claire started playing a really good mix of oldies and newer songs. Now at least once a week I hear a RUSH song on WISM, 98.1 FM. Do not despair though, while at work I have my trusty Walkman and a good supply of RUSH tapes to help me get through the day. Thanks for listening. Tom T. _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Thomas D. Torkelson _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ tdt@cray.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Chippewa Falls, WI _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ (715) 726-6580 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: MOLIVA@gab.unt.edu Date: 7 Oct 92 09:56:41 CST6 Subject: Re: Old/ New10/06/92 - The National Midnight Star #529 Hello, HEllo, Hello: If I might be so bold as to express my opinion, Ha! I like ALL Rush - Old and New. That's what makes them a fun band; I can pick and choose according to my mood. Plus it's fun to compare and contrast styles and devewlopment. AND, chnage is good - I could'nt handle eighteen years of Rivendale! Got some cool boots (video) of the third leg. So, like always, if you're interested, e-mail me and I'll just see what I can do. AND, as if you're interested, if it wasn't for NEW songs like Turn The Page, The Pass, Where's My Thing etc., I would have never learned to play chordal stuff on my bass. So there! And what else today? Nothing, you're all exscused! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:01:01 -0500 From: John Parrish Schweers <jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu> > Tim Hall writes.... > >On Twilight Zone on the 2112 album, there's a place in the middle of the >song where there's a strange out-of-place guitar "noise". I don't have the >CD with me now so I can't tell you the exact time it occurs. I always >thought it was Alex starting to come in too early for his guitar solo, >because it's at about the right place for that, only one verse too soon. I noticed this also, but I think it is intentional. At that time, Rush did not have to worry as much about studio time and getting the album out in a given number of days. If it was a mistake, they would have fixed it. I think it adds to the feeling of being in.... "The Twilight Zone". :) Also, Frank writes ... >Now in Anthem is Neil saying "have tunnel vision and concentrate on >what you're doing and ignore everything else lest you will fail" or is he >saying "when you are surrounded by detractors, ignore them and take pride in >who and what you are"? But TSS seems to clearly say "I want to know what's >going on around me before I continue my life's journey to somewhere else". > >The question would be "Are the two songs connected?", and that would >depend on the individual opinion of the listener. Could TSS be a retraction or >addendum to Anthem, I don't know. But the manner of the lyrics is different. >Anthem seems making a statement, while Time Stand Still seems to be explaining >a situation. In Anthem, I think he is saying don't stop trying until you get to where you want to be, regardless of what others say. In TSS, it seems he has reached the place he wants to be, and wants to remember it. >From: bnowack@ultrix.ramapo.edu (brian nowack) >Subject: New Album? >I heard of the rumor that they are finishing up on their private >vacations and are going to their retreat in the woods to start writing their >new album. Are these rumors true or are they just a bunch of broccoli? If they are ready to start a new album, Alex and Neil are going to have a tough time getting Geddy out of the ballpark with the Blue Jays in the playoffs! :) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:33:50 -0300 From: x92fca@px2.stfx.ca (Roy Germon) Subject: ASOH Video question Hello all you Rush fans (new and old):) I have a trivial question for anyone out there. I have the ASOH video, and in the final song, a medley of 2112/in the mood/Villa Strangatio I believe, there is a part where Alex takes the mike. The vocal portion is edited out of this particulat segment. Someone out there must know what is said. While I'm here... There always seems to be lots of requests for the address to order the Peart poster. Is the address in the FAQL? If not, maybe it should be. I really cant remember, as I haven't seen the FAQL in some time. New/Old debate: Give it up! Too many people think their opinions are law. I like both, but for different reasons. The issue is dead. As a matter of fact, I feel guilty even bringing it up. My friend wants me to say:"Subdivisions appear on Signals not in Rush material in general." --Will I hate to ask, but could the person requesting the postcards regarding the convention, please repost your address, or E-mail me direct? BTW I agree, it's easier to E-mail, but anyone not committed enough to send one itsy bitsy postcard should forget all about the convention. $.50 is such a small price to pay. 'Nuff said? Roy Germon X92FCA@PHOENIX.STFX.CA "No, his mind is not for rent to any God or government always hopeful, yet discontent he knows changes aren't permanent ...but change is" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:10:21 -0400 From: meg (******* Meg *******) Subject: Rush Convention (Send me e-mail!) For anyone that is interested in the convention idea: Send me your name and e-mail address (thru e-mail of course) so we can get an idea on how many people are in favor of attending a convention. Once we get a list compiled, we'll start planning out an agena (if there's enough interest). If you've already sent a postcard to John Santore then you don't need to mail me anything, but if not mail in your name! -Meg meg@syrinx.umd.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:19:46 PDT From: qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Benbenisty) Subject: "prepared" Matthew Joseph Desantis (in the future, take personal shit via email, thnx. I will respond in kind; whether you take it public or private): >An issue or two ago, a felloe named Dan wrote that he was "prepared" to speak >about rush because he took piano for 15 years, and wrote an etude... The >statement he made was like (..ask any musician and they will tell you that new >rush is not as good as old rush...) or in a different form of words... If you'd read the previous post carefully, instead of twisting it to serve your characterization of me as a snob, you would have seen that I detailed my involvement in music ONLY WHEN IT WAS RHETORICALLY IMPLIED THAT I WAS UNPREPARED TO DISCUSS MUSIC! I quote the post: ]>don't discuss music from the 18th and 19th century unless you are prepared ]I am prepared with 15 years of classical training (piano) and several thousand ]hours of listening to this music. The classical and early romantic eras are ]my foremost musical passion. I've also written a few etudes. I LIKE IT when people come on and say "I play drums and I like the <whatever> in Bravado ...etc." This is very educational to me, because I will then take a different contextual listen to songs I didn't like before! One really shouldn't feel threatened or put off by this. In response to those who dislike the New vs Old thread.... I understand that music is a very personal thing, and the notion that the music one has been listening to and loving is 'unworthy' - or that the music one has dismissed has a value you have missed - can be very FLAMMABLE. But if you keep the anger out of it, I think discussions about the artistic value of various pieces of music can be very stimulating. If you think such discussions won't end up proving one thing or another, so what? That doesn't give such discussions any less value... probably more, in fact. Perhaps even more than discussions about the mohawk on N. Peart's dingleberries. I don't think we should necessarily stop NvsO, just FLAMES (esp. against poor little me!) What do you think? >>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===> danb@qsp.com Daniel Benbenisty Guitarist for EARWURM ----------------------------------------------------------
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