The National Midnight Star #80

Errors-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list Subject: RUSH Fans Digest of 10/25/90 (#80)
RUSH Fans Digest, Number 80 Thursday, 25 October 1990 Today's Topics: Fan Groups List Re: RUSH Musicians Re: La Villa Strangiato Japanese RUSH CD's What's The Meaning of "Presto"? As requested by the Rush-Mgr.... By-tor Hard Rocks at Sacto Writing Neil Peart UK Spirit, Chronicles, etc. Diges Name Visions Definition of "peart" changing instruments More Musician's Stuff . . . RUSH Fans Digest of 10/10/90 (#65) ** Special Edition!! ** ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 10:45 EST From: V068J6JK@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Fan Groups List I was reading the digest today, and noticed that somebody(sorry, but I forgot his name=) mentioned that there was a list of other existing fans digests posted recently. Somehow I missed it!?! Could somebody either repost it, or e-mail it to me? My address is V068J6JK@UBVMS.BITNET Thanks in advance Mike [ Yeah and verily, see below, Mike! :rush-mgr ] ******************************************************************************* "Music holds a secret, to know it can make you whole." Triumph ******************************************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Atro Tossavainen <d37690r@kaira.hut.fi> Subject: Re: RUSH Musicians Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 16:59:31 EET BJenkins@ecs.umass.edu asked about people's Rush-playing bands. Ours is one, but there's only a slight chance that anyone will see it in the near future, as we really haven't even thought of gigging. It would take more original songs (now we're ONLY playing Rush tunes.. from all parts of their career, specializing in those that are most challenging to play.) -- d37690r@kaira.hut.fi ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Atro Tossavainen <d37690r@kaira.hut.fi> Subject: Re: La Villa Strangiato Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 17:15:28 EET As all should by now know, a 'villa' is not a village in either Italian or Spanish, but rather a house. [ Thank you, I though I was really losing it on this one. I can't see how living in a villa (large rambling house) could be extrapolated from village... My original remark stands: "House of Strangiato", or maybe "Strange House". But, hey, it *is* my *opinion*, not being either Alex, Geddy, or Neil... :rush-mgr ] Strangiato is only a pidgin-Italian expression. The song itself, as has been told in some interview, is about a nightmare or series of nightmares that Alex had. -- d37690r@kaira.hut.fi ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Japanese RUSH CD's Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 01:26:35 +0900 From: tana@lauda.ee.sophia.ac.jp I received some mail asking me about some Japanese releases of live Rush albums. Unfortunately I have never seen them and I'm pretty busy right now to go out and search for them. BUT I posted an article to fj.rec.music.progressive (The Japanese NG on progressive music) where there are some talk about Rush presently. Someone out there might know. I'll let you know if I get any information. I also told them about this mailing list. :-) Sorry for the late follow-up. [ Once again, see below! Boy, are you people good, or what?! :rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yoshiyuki Tanaka "Big THANK YOU's go Sophia University, Tokyo Japan. around the world!":-) Dept of Electrical & Electronic Enginerring Deiters Laboratory. Email: tana@bob.ee.sophia.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Rawdon <rawdon@rex.cs.tulane.edu> Subject: What's The Meaning of "Presto"? Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 11:58:31 CDT I've devoted a fair amount of brain-time to actually trying to figure out what the lyrics to the song "Presto" mean, but it's pretty obscure (not nearly as much so as "Anagram", but I don't really care about that one... :-). The best I've been able to come up with is a concoction about how the song is about the pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths character of Superman, but, of course, I don't really have any way to verify this. What other theories are there floating around? Does anyone know the definitive story behind these lyrics? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 09:58:01 PDT From: "An Cat Dubh dtn223-6886 24-Oct-1990 1250" <owen@euclid.enet.dec.com> Subject: As requested by the Rush-Mgr.... ********************** List of MUSICAL MAILING LISTS ************************ Update as of 10/10/90 ** If anyone finds any more bands to be added to this list, feel free to ** ** send the address to me, and I'll be glad to update it and send it out. ** ** Or if anyone knows of any mistakes/changes, please let me know. ** Please feel free to forward this message to anyone you might think would want it. If anyone makes any changes, please send them to me! Send corrections/changes/etc. to: owen@euclid.enet.dec.com (Jul'90-Dec'90) or sowen@lynx.northeastern.edu (Jan'91-???) Thanks to all of you who sent me these addresses! It is much appreciated. 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Host unknown. Does anyone know where it went, or if I've spelled the address wrong? DISCLAIMER: I take no responsibility for incorrect addresses or dead lists. I'm only telling you what I've been told. Please don't ask me for further information about these lists, as I know as much as you do at this point. I don't know if all of these are still in existance or if they will accept any new members. 'nuff said. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 13:08:00 -0400 From: cs021045@cs.brown.edu (Jason Rosenberg) Subject: By-tor [ Please keep your posts to ~75 chars/line or less! :rush-mgr ] Yesterday Dean asked about Bytor and his switch from evil to good between Fly By Night and Caress of Steel. I'm sure 20 other people will post this, but oh well. The main reason that Neil gives is No reason! The characters are fictional and are just shells that he filled with different personalities. The actual names comes from nicknames of a pair of dogs (one bites a lot- he is a Biter/By-Tor!). Also, it admits that it makes a point about not assuming anything. Once bad is not always bad. Don't be so quick to judge. And so on. Neat Jason Rosenberg Geddy Lee of Rush on "Superconductor": Geddy: Well, there's part of it in 7, and it slips kind of back and forth between 7 and 4. We like to actually drop a beat every once in a while just in case someone's dancing; they might hurt themselves. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: ragunton%water.llnl.gov@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Ben Ragunton) Subject: Hard Rocks at Sacto Date: Wed, 24 Oct 1990 11:00:06 PDT Ron Chrisley writes: >will never play Sac'to again. Is this true? When did it happen? I'm sure that Rush will return to Sacramento. Undoubtedly they will play at the Arco Arena, but I would not be surprised if they never went back to Cal Expo. A friend of mine, who is good friends with Neil, told me that the band didn't want to play at Cal Expo in the first place, but ended up there because of management I think. I saw them at Shoreline, so I didn't bother going to the Cal Expo show. However, I did see David Bowie there a few months back, and it was the worst concert(not because of Bowie, but because of the facility, and audience)I've ever been to. I had reserved seats in the stands, and I absolutely hated it. I will never go to a concert there again, and I seriously doubt Rush will ever play there again. Ben Ragunton ragunton@water.llnl.gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, California Voice: (415)422-2461 |^^^^^^| | | | (o)(o) _____________________ @ _) _ /Don't turn your back | | ,___| /__ and slam the door | | / \ on me, man! | /___\ \____________________| / \ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 16:10:49 -0400 From: supriya (Supriya Goyal) Subject: Writing Neil Peart Does anyone have an address where I can write Neil Peart other than the Rush Backstage Club??? --Supriya Z. Goyal "Quiet Rebellion leads to open war" P.S. Chris Michael, Are you a DJ? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 14:27:14 -0700 From: Ted Ives <tedi@apple.com> Subject: UK Spirit, Chronicles, etc. Hi fanatics, I have a few interesting Rush tidbits to share today.... * Chronicles video I had mentioned awhile back that the video had been cancelled. Well, uh, that's not the case. The video was officially released yesterday, (10/23/90). The song lineup is a pretty good compromise between what we would like to see and what the marketing people would like us to see. Here's the lineup, in roughly the order of appearance: A Farewell to Kings Closer to the Heart The Trees Tom Sawyer (live) Red Barchetta Subdivisions Distant Early Warning Red Sector A The Big Money Mystic Rhythms Time Stand Still Lock and Key A few notes: I'm not positive about Lock and Key. Also note that while Tom Sawyer was listed as "live", (MTV used to show this, taken from Exit..), Red Barchetta and Red Sector A were NOT listed as such. Either this is a mistake or we may be in for one hell of a treat! "The Camera Eye" compilation had Vital Signs, which was previouslly unreleased. Also, I have heard rumours that all the Moving Pictures tracks were videotaped at Le Studio and only a few released. Well, we'll know soon enough! [ For those local to the Washington DC area, I called Erol's about this. It's not in stock yet, but their distributor has it, and it can be special ordered through the stores. This info. came from the corporate head- quarters. The price is $19.95. (Hey, just like Rocky Horror!) :rush-mgr ] * UK Spirit of Rush address Here's the UK info: Subscriptions for the next 4 issues: UK: L6 ("L" is the closest I can come to a pound sign!) incl P&P Europe: L8 Australia/NZ: L12 UK address: Mick Burnett 23, Garden Close Chinbrook Rd. Grove Park London, England s.e.12 9.T.G UK address for back issues: Same as above (this is is for ALL back issues, incl USA and UK, I failed to mention this before) Back issue prices: UK: L1.50 (inclu p&p) USA/Canada: $4.00 Europe: L2.00 Aust/NZ: L3 US: Checks payable to Ray Wawryzniak Elsewhere: payable to "THE SPIRIT OF RUSH" Non-UK readers must buy back issues in either CASH or an Intl. Money Order in Sterling only. Tell Mick that I sent you! * Japanese CDs I called the LA record store about those 3 Jap CDs. It turns out that they were mis-named. Rush live and New live were Exit.. and A Show of Hands. Will to Power is the name of a group. Oh well..... * About the Malibu Celebrity Tennis Jam Sept 15th. I had said that ESPN covered this event. I called their PR office and it turns out that ESPN DID NOT cover it but that they probably rented the truck to someone else. Does anyone know whether it was broadcast or videotaped by an audience member?!!! * Toronto happenings I heard last night that a big shindig is planned to honor Rush, Bryan Adams and some other obscure Canadian artist. Rush is to receive artist of the decade and there should be a pretty elaborate ceremony. If anyone in the Toronto area is fanatical to go, I would recommend calling SRO, (they're listed in the phone book), for information. Also, it's likely that it will be televised, (fire up those VCRs up there, folks!). The date is Nov 20th. Well, that's all I have to say for the moment. If anyone has any additional info on these topics, corrections or comments, don't hesitate to post it. Take care, Chris Michael ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 14:46:35 PDT From: ronklein@math.berkeley.edu Subject: Diges Name [ Please keep your posts to ~75 chars/line or less! :rush-mgr ] I know this is kind of late to bring it up, but I was behind on my digest reading. I hate to say this, but the 10 or so potential names for the digest are all pretty lame. I throw in the following (which might have been suggested before): 1) The Camera Eye 2) The Sphere 3) The Red Star It *must* be on of these three!! Ron Kleiner "Let's see exhibit A" [ Sorry, dude, too late. We should have a winner by the end of the week. :rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 16:00:03 PDT From: mjahnke%sdcc13@ucsd.edu (******* Meg *********) Subject: Visions For all you out there who bought "Visions" when it first came out -- they have a revised edition with a few different pictures. The edition still looks identical to the older version and the writing is exactly the same, but a few of the pictures have been changed and some moved around. So if you already have a copy when it first came out, it might be worth your while to try and locate a new one in the record stores, if just to see the picture of Gedd and Alex in junior high! They also have a discography (including singles) for the UK in the back which follows. I noticed that someone already posted a discography yesterday but didn't have any singles listed. This discography also had the breaks where each side of the album is (shown by a ';'). Enjoy! -Meg ------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------- Rush Discography (UK) --------------------- SINGLES "Closer To The Heart/Bastille Day/The Temples of Syrinx" Mercury RUSH 7, January 1978. (12" version also includes Anthem). "The Spirit of Radio/The Trees" Mercury RADIO 7, February 1980. (12" version also includes Working Man). "Vital Signs/In The Mood" Mercury VITAL 7, March 1981. (12" version also includes A Passage To Bangkok and Circumstances). "Tom Sawyer (live)/A Passage To Bangkok (live)" Mercury EXIT 7, October 1981. (12" version also includes Red Barchetta (live)). "Closer To The Heart (live)/The Trees (live)" Mercury RUSH 1, December 1981. "New World Man/Vital Signs (live)" Mercury RUSH 8, August 1982. (12" version includes Free Will). "Subdivisions/Red Barchetta" Mercury RUSH 9, October 1982. (12" version also includes Jacob's Ladder; also available as 7" picture disc). "Countdown/New World Man" Mercury RUSH 10, April 1983.(12" also includes The Spirit Of Radio and excerpts from a Rush interview; also available as 7" shaped picture disc). "The Body Electric/The Analog Kid" Vertigo RUSH 11, May 1984. (12" version also includes Distant Early Warning; also available as 10" red vinyl disc). "The Big Money/Territories" Vertigo RUSH 12, October 1985. (12" version also includes Red Sector 'A' (live); 7" gatefold sleeve version has Middletown Dreams as 'B' side; 7" doubleback also includes Closer To The Heart and The Spirit of Radio). "Time Stand Still/Force Ten" Vertigo RUSH 13, October 1987. (12" version also includes The Enemy Within (live) & Witch Hunt (live); 12" picture disc also includes The Enemy Within (live)). Notes: In the USA and Canada Rush's singles' discography differs considerably to the UK. Their first single, in 1973, coupled Not Fade Away with You Can't Fight It on Moon Records, two tracks which have yet to be issued in the UK. [ N.F.A. being the Buddy Holly tune. It sounds (to me) like they cannibalized part of it to make "What You're Doing" - check out the guitar solo in the middle! :rush-mgr ] ALBUMS RUSH Finding My Way, Need Some Love, Take A Friend, Here Again; What You're Doing, In The Mood, Before And After, Working Man. Mercury 9100 011. FLY BY NIGHT Anthem, Best I Can, Beneath Between & Behind, By-Tor And The Snow Dog; Fly By Night, Making Memories, Rivendell, In The End. Mercury 9100 013. CARESS OF STEEL Bastille Day, I Think I'm Going Bald, Lakeside Park, The Necromancer: (i) Into Darkness, (ii) Under The Shadow, (iii) Return Of The Prince; The Fountain Of Lamneth: (i) In The Valley, (ii) Didacts And Narpets, (iii) No One At The Bridge, (iv) Panacea, (v) Bacchus Plateau, (vi) The Fountain. Mercury 9100 018. 2112 2112 - Overture, Temples Of Syrinx, Discovery, Presentation, Oracle: The Dream, Soliloquy, Grand Finale; A Passage To Bangkok, The Twilight Zone, Lessons, Tears, Something For Nothing. Mercury 9100 039. ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE Bastille Day, Anthem, Fly By Night, In The Mood, Something For Nothing; Lakeside Park, 2112 - Overture, The Temples Of Syrinx, Presentation, Soliloquy, Grand Finale; By-Tor And The Snow Dog, In The End; Working Man, Finding My Way, What You're Doing. Mercury 6672 015. A FAREWELL TO KINGS A Farewell To Kings, Xanadu; Closer To The Heart, Cinderella Man, Madrigal, Cygnus X-1. Mercury 9100 042. HEMISPHERES Hemispheres - (i) Prelude, (ii) Apollo, (iii) Dionysus, (iv) Armageddon, (v) Cygnus, (vi) The Sphere; Circumstances, The Trees, La Villa Strangiato. Mercury 9100 059. PERMANENT WAVES The Spirit Of Radio, Freewill, Jacob's Ladder; Entre Nous, Different Strings, Natural Science: i) Tide Pools ii) Hyperspace iii) Permanent Waves. Mercury 9100 071. MOVING PICTURES Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Limelight, The Camera Eye, Witch Hunt (Part III of Fear), Vital Signs. Mercury 6337 160. EXIT...STAGE LEFT The Spirit Of Radio, Red Barchetta, YYZ; A Passage To Bangkok, Closer To The Heart, Beneath Between & Behind, Jacob's Ladder; Broon's Band, The Trees, Xanadu; Freewill, Tom Sawyer, La Villa Strangiato. Mercury 6619 053. SIGNALS Subdivisions, The Analog Kid, Chemistry, Digital Man; The Weapon, New World Man, Losing It, Countdown. Mercury 6337 243. GRACE UNDER PRESSURE Distant Early Warning, Afterimage, Red Sector 'A', The Enemy Within; The Body Electric, Kid Gloves, Red Lenses, Between The Wheels. Mercury VERH 12. POWER WINDOWS The Big Money, Grand Designs, Manhattan Project, Marathon; Territories, Middletown Dreams, Emotion Detector, Mystic Rhythms. Vertigo VERH 31. HOLD YOUR FIRE Force Ten, Time Stand Still, Open Secrets, Second Nature, Prime Mover; Lock And Key, Mission, Turn The Page, Tai Shan, High Water. Vertigo VERH 49. A SHOW OF HANDS Intro, The Big Money, Subdivisions, Marathon, Turn The Page, Manhattan Project, Mission, Distant Early Warning, Mystic Rhythms, Witch Hunt, The Rhythm Method - Drum Solo, Force Ten, Time Stand Still, Red Sector 'A', Closer To The Heart. Mercury PRESTO Show Don't Tell, Chain Lightning, The Pass, War Paint, Scars, Presto, Superconductor, Anagram (For Mongo), Red Tide, Hand Over Fist, Available Light. Atlantic ---------------------------------------------------------- From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca Date: 24 Oct 90 18:39 -0500 Subject: Definition of "peart" >X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.4 1/31/90) Rummaging through my Collins English Dictionary, I found a definition for the word `peart', pronounced to almost rhyme with "beer". It means `lively; spirited; brisk'. The related adverb is "peartly", and the noun is "peartness". Just something to add to your "useless facts" drawer in the back of your head. `...some say I'm in it for the money, but I'm in it for love, love, love." - Dubois -- Kerry Yackoboski <yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca> The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory in the Cellar U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: changing instruments Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 8:39:57 CDT From: T.J. Higgins <a106d!tj@uunet.UU.NET> Here's something I haven't seen asked before (my apologies for wasted bandwidth if it has). While I'm sure they do it in the studio, has Rush ever exchanged instruments with one another during a show? I've never heard of it happening, and they've certainly never done it at any of the shows I've been to, but it sure would be neat to see Alex on bass & vocals, Geddy on drums, and the Perfessor sawing away! The reason I ask, Blue Oyster Cult used to do this back in the late '70s during the opening number of their shows, and it was always fun to watch. (I'm told the Beatles also did this, but I'm a little young to have seen them in concert.) Maybe I should send this in to the Backstage Club, and Neil will answer it in his next "25 Q&A" session. -------------------------------------------------------------------- T.J. Higgins uunet!ingr!higgins (UUCP) Intergraph Corp. M/S IW17A3 higgins@ingr.com (Internet) One Madison Industrial Park Huntsville, AL 35894-0001 "Well-weathered leather, hot metal (205) 730-7922 and oil, the scent of country air" -Rush ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 09:47 EDT From: BJENKINS@ecs.umass.edu Subject: More Musician's Stuff . . . Okay, first of all I'd like to thank those of you who responded to my posting about RUSH cover bands. Next, just a quick comment about someone's suggestion to start a list of songs people can play. I'm not one to put down discussion of how to play different tunes, but something about this idea really bothers me. First of all, if people start sending in transcriptions of songs there are bound to be some duplications; thus, there are bound to be discrepancies. I've never met someone who plays a song exactly the way I do (thank God). Who is to decide which versions are actually correct. It would be great if we could get Alex, Ged, and Neil to come in and arbitrate. But somehow I think that's a little unlikely. I still think that the discussions of style are great. I've really enjoyed the ongoing one about Spirit's intro. I just hope that a compilation of songs doesn't turn out to be another issue of Guitar Player for the Musician Who Is Too Lazy To Use His Own Ear (oops, I meant Guitar for the Practicing Musician). That's all folks. And keep sending stuff about your bands. If there's anyone in the New England area gigging, I'd definitely like to hear about it. Brett ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 10:22:30 edt From: "Dylan Kaufman" <morgan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: RUSH Fans Digest of 10/10/90 (#65) ** Special Edition!! ** This edition contained Neil's column "Rock Groups Hardly Satanistic". Does anyone have access to the July 19 coverage mentioned therein? (by Jim Hankins in the Daily Texan some number of years ago...) I think it would be interesting to be able to read that coverage and any response Neil's column might have garnered... -<>Dylan<>- morgan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu ----------------------------------------------------------
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